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Fri, Feb. 16th, 2007, 11:39 am
evilgrins: it's all kinda basic really

Maybe it's my whole acknowledging more than one God thing but when you come right down to it there's a little something funny in the water here. I mean the Greeks had the god Zeus and his extended family to worshipm the Norse had Odin and his extended family to worship, the Wiccans have Gaea, the Egyptians...you get the idea. It's pretty much a deity and his or her bretheren guarding over a specific group of people.

When Moses popped up with his whole "Let my people go!" riff he was a representative of their god (who is generally just known as 'God'; it;'s all about the capital G wth this one). The Egyptians did not discredit the existance of this deity but simply labelled It has was appropriate from their point of view; God of the Jews.

Time goes on, things change, a nice wholesome virgin girl gives birth to Jesus/Yeshua/whatever name you choose to refer to him by; the son of God (big G). For the longest time I didn't wholly buy that the Christians, as a whole, believed Jesus was actually God given flesh and not just the son of...but a post I made to that effect a couple weeks back has shown otherwise. However, this does represent a mildly odd problem when you think about it...

...least when I do.

The Jews worship God.

The Christians worship Jesus.

While it can be argued, and it is by many of them, that the Christians acknowledge that Jesus is in fact God (little g)...the Jews do not share this opinion. Seeing as it was their God (big G) first then it stands to reason they should be the authority on this.

So which way do we look here?

Jesus and God are different beings, said so by the different people that worship them. The Chrisitians can toss up that "Holy Trinity" bit as much as they like but without the faith that God originated from backing the concept (an oddly polytheistic "3 as 1" concept no matter how you slice it) then it can not be used as an irrefutable fact.

Thoughts?

Sat, Feb. 17th, 2007 05:00 am (UTC)
ilpostino

some people look to the trinity as being a tribunal. take one persona away, and it's not a tribunal any more. meh

there are so many different ideas on the makeup of the trinity that... well... who knows.

Jesus is the body, God the Father is the mind, and the Holy Spirit is the soul? One God with severely powerful psychological aspects.

or...

God has multiple personalities....

or....

like i said, lots of ideas.

Thu, Nov. 15th, 2012 06:51 am (UTC)
aleahkate_4ever

I completely agree on the last point!The Word of God does not support the evidence of a Trinity. Sensing you are not a Christian, I believe you can accept this more readily that someone who professes they are. As a Pentecostal Christian, I believe that Jesus is God. I don't believe He's part of a Trinity. I believe He was both fully man and fully God. God came and robed Himself in flesh and became Yahweh Saves. Most believe Jesus was the Son of God. Which He is! However, they believe this proves He was part of a Trinity. What made Him a Begotten Son was the fact He was born of a virgin. Jesus WAS and IS the Father! (Read the Christian Bible's proof in John 14:8-9). He sent Himself to die on the cross as the Begotten Son. The miracle was that He was born without a human father and of a virgin. This made Him the Begotten Son! Jesus' Name was also Father. (Read Isaiah 9:6)

I do not at all believe in the concept of the Trinity because the Jews believe in a monotheistic belief of God. When the disciples wrote the Bible, they knew they were referring to Jesus as God in the Flesh. These were Jews that believed Hear Oh Israel the Lord our God is One Lord. They knew Jesus was God.

Anytime Jesus was praying to the Father, it was His flesh overcoming the Spirit. It was his humanity praying to Deity! When I read Jesus sat at the right hand of God this doesn't mean He sat at the right of hand of the Father because Revelations says there was only ONE sitting upon the throne. Anytime the Right Hand is mentioned in the Old Testament, it was used to signify power. Jesus was sitting at the right hand of Power.

Jesus had the titles of Father, Son and Holy Ghost. The titles represent different roles of One God in the flesh.

Father- The omnipresent Spirit of the Universe. The Father of Creation known as Yahweh.

the Son - The physical being of God. Jesus was Yahweh in the flesh. Yahweh filled the Universe while He also filled the fleshly body of Jesus Christ. He revealed HIs full Name to us in the New Testament when He came. Jesus Christ means Yahweh Saves

the Holy Ghost - The term the Holy Ghost is not a third person in the Trinity but rather it just means God in action. It is the terminology used for when Jesus' Spirit moves upon His people.

The idea of a Trinity was invented in A.D. 325 at the Council of Nicea. The people were sincere but it created a false illusion of the Godhead. The Word of God says in Jesus dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.

For further understanding on this topic, I feel that the PDF book The Oneness of God will interest you. If anything, to clear up misunderstanding of all Christianity. Not all of us believe in a Trinity because we know the Jews did and still do not to this day.

http://www.apostolic-voice.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/the-oneness-of-god.pdf

Edited at 2012-11-15 07:27 am (UTC)

Thu, Nov. 15th, 2012 08:12 am (UTC)
evilgrins

Is there a particular reason you keep updating the same reply over and over and over and over and... you get the idea.

Why don't you just edit it one time, make sure it's correct, and then stop?

Thu, Nov. 15th, 2012 11:15 am (UTC)
aleahkate_4ever

Whoops! Sorry. I assumed this site was like Facebook where no one saw that you edited your work. I apologize. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.

Thu, Nov. 15th, 2012 04:02 pm (UTC)
evilgrins

no problem